July 10, 2010

"A Serbian Film" is a Horrific Masterpiece

"Srpski Film" ("A Serbian Film") may just be the best movie I've seen in the past 10 years. The last time I walked out of a movie theater so stunned by what I had just seen was when I saw "Requiem for a Dream" which left me feeling beat-up after it was over. More than two hours later, I'm still trying to come up with adjectives to describe how "A Serbian Film" made me feel- and think [the next morning the film is still weighing heavily on my mind].


First of all, if you've read of the film's notoriety- it's banned in Serbia and prompted numerous walk-outs at SXSW when it made its U.S. premiere there in March- know that it's well-deserved. It's flat-out shocking. It's also an incredibly well-made, stunning film that makes Gaspar Noe's attempts at a cinema of endurance look like Tim Burton.


Here is the Red-Band Trailer for the film. Do not even think about watching this at work or with kids around. It contains nudity, explicit sex and scenes of blood and violence. It also has some of the great music from the film and gives an idea of what it's like.




The plot centers around Milos, a retired porn star now living a relatively mundane life with his gorgeous wife and their young son. Milos is offered a ton of money to star in an "artistic" porn film to be directed by the fawning yet mysterious Vukmir Vukmir. The catch is that Milos, who used to make his own films, doubts Vukmir's intentions from the get go. Why would he pay him money like this to make porn? Things become even more dubious to Milos when the director insists Milos agree beforehand to not know what he's going to do in the film. It's to be shot live, and broadcast outside of the country to well-heeled connoisseurs of the director's unique vision. It's Vukmir's film, but he insists he can't make it unless he has Milos in it, whom he considers an artist that no one understands. Milos has no pretensions that any of this is true, but the money is too good to pass up and he signs the contract.

Director/co-writer Srdjan Spasojevic starts laying a sense of dread for where he's taking us early on, aided by the most effective soundtrack (by Sky Wikluh) for a film I've heard since, well, "Requiem for a Dream." By the film's conclusion, it's almost physically uncomfortable to experience. The viewer is assaulted by sound and vision and though it's awful, it's also undeniably thrilling to experience a film that is so sure-handed while operating so far outside the bounds of anything acceptable.

The film's cast is perfect. Milos, played by Srdjan Todorovic looks a bit like Mark Wahlberg gone to hell, but has a weariness in his face more in common with Clint Eastwood in his later films. It's a performance no American actor of any stature would dare attempt. He may be Serbia's most legendary porn star, but he's also the only one with a university degree. He doesn't exude the faintest whiff of sleaze.

As Vukmir Vukmir, Sergej Trifunovic has a subtle malice masked by a high level of sophistication. He's a mash-up of the Marquis de Sade, Tony Robbins and Stanley Kubrick. There are a number of striking women in the film, led by Sergej Trifunovic as Milos' wife Maria and Katarina Zutic as his ex-partner in porn who introduces him to the deal and ends up paying for it through the mouth- literally in ways I don't even want to describe. Milos' older brother Marko, a nasty cop with an obvious attraction to his sister-in-law, is sleaze personified and well-played by Slobodan Bestic.

"A Serbian Film" is smart film-making. It opens with Milos' son watching one of his father's old movies that was accidentally left lying around. When the boy's parents explain that "it's like a cartoon for grown-ups" and later explain sexual arousal and masturbation to the child, it's done with an honesty, sophistication and warmth that's disarming given the content. There are a number of touches like this which elevate the film to something far greater than a horrific torture porn thriller.

But it is indeed just that, and in abundance. It's ultra-violent, contains very explicit sex, and crosses the line at so many points into taboo it guarantees the film is never going to be seen widely, if ever, outside of the festival circuit. Which is too bad, because in the same way David Fincher's "Fight Club" and Scorcese's "Goodfellas" say so much about the culture in which they take place, "A Serbian Film" is an analogy for post-war Serbia. What it says is too dark to even want to think about as an outsider, and understandably many Serbs have come out vociferously against this film, but having seen it I at least now understand why it's been banned. To call it scathing isn't even close. It's a blow-torch at full blast held six inches from the Serbian national identity and it aims to burn everything in front of it. It makes me wonder what an American version of the same story would look like. After all, we invented this stuff, right?

Sadly, there isn't another showing of it at the Another Hole in the Head festival scheduled, but if they add one or it shows up somewhere else, if you can stomach it, I can't recommend this film strongly enough. It's brilliant- and believe me, you've never seen anything like it- at least I hope you haven't.

Finally, if you wish to comment, please do not include spoilers about the film in your comment. While many articles have described specific parts of the film, I haven't because when I saw the film I had no idea what to expect and I think that's why it had such a profound effect on me. The less you know, the more disturbing it is.

The film is set to be released in the U.S. on May 13th, 2011, in an edited version in theaters.

99 comments:

  1. Ever since I heard about this film I have been looking for a place to rant, so here goes.
    The first time I ever saw this movie mentioned I was surprised to see a headline that read "Is A Serbian Film the most shocking movie ever made?", as I read the article I started to get worried, I couldn't believe that another Serbian "artist" was going to (for lack of a better word) embarrass Serbia and its film industry. I was appalled by the name and thought if only the movie was called differently I would be OK with it or at least wouldn't care that it was that disgusting. My second big issue wasn't with the movie at all but with the director and his statements about how this movie is some ridiculous metaphor about Serbians and the war and our leaders at the time. I can tell you right now, neither me nor the five friends I saw the movie with (all 6 of us Serbs) saw the slightest glimpse of an analogy with what Serbia is now or was after/during the war. As a matter of fact, I believe that no one in Serbia would look at his movie that way. And what disgusted me way more than the actual movie was how blatantly obvious it was that the whole movie (title, plot, shocking scenes and all) was intended for an American audience and was thus marketed that way. I lived most of my childhood in Canada so Im not just guessing when I say this, the directors sob story and the analogy about post-war Serbia is all pure Americanized marketing and I honestly hope that most people who watch the movie don't actually believe that it can even metaphorically relate to Serbia.
    Im not trying to defend Serbia at all, as a matter of fact I think that some of the things that have happened here and are still happening are (literally not just metaphorically) way more grotesc and pervers then any of the scenes in the movie (except for the baby scene which is just (once again for lack of better words) fucked up).
    Serbian movies that don't try to be creative with analogies manage show exactly what it was and is like to be Serbian a lot better (like "Rane" (The Wounds) and "Klopka" The Trap to name a couple).
    As for my review of the actual movie itself, I think it is basically Saw or Hostel with a pornographic twist. In my opinion comparing this movie to Requiem for a Dream is absolutely ridiculus. At the end of that movie I felt compassion and sorrow for all three of the main characters, at the end of this one I just felt sad for myself because I had to endure scene after scene of senseless violence and rape. Thats exactly what this movie is senseless and tasteless but if you like blood, gore, and movies with shallow, basic plots that are there just to drive violence, then this might be the movie for you… Actually in that case your better off just searching online for a clip called "BME Pain Olympics" and saving 1 hour and 40 minutes of your day. The acting was mediocre, I've seen better from both Sergej Trifunovic and Srdjan Todorovic (I still don't get why Srdjan felt he needed to do this film). The only truly good thing about this movie is the score but this is to be expected from Sky Wikluh since (even though I'm not a great fan and think he's a below average rapper) he is a very talent musician.
    To conclude, however average I think this movie is, Im glad to finally see some high production values in a Serbian movie, I just fell like all that money could have been put toward a much better and deeper movie.

    (I hope i didnt offend, I just cant believe that someones thoughts differ so much from mine about this movie)

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  2. Dear Kiki,

    First of all, thank you for leaving the comment. This post has garnered hundreds of hits and I know people read all the way through it and watch the trailer but for some reason there have been no comments besides yours so far.

    After seeing the film I looked it up on the web, curious to see the thoughts of others and one article I read said the director and writer claimed the atrocities in the film (and I think you'll agree they are atrocities) all actually took place during the war and were perpetrated by one side, the other, or both.

    As a Serbian national, I appreciate your perspective more than I can express, but having been in Europe in 1994 and having the opportunity to watch the brilliant news program "No Comment" which ran daily, unedited footage of the war and its consequences, I have to wonder if you wre present for any of it or viewed it from the distance of Canada.

    Surely the war took its toll on the psyche and character of the country. A reasonable person cannot think otherwise, just as our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq or taking a heavy toll on our soldiers who particpate in it. The difference is here it is a small minority particpating in countries most Americans will never see- not in our own streets.

    The fall-out from these wars on our soldiers is acute but confined. In major metropolitan cities such as where I live, few of know anyone who has seen battle in these wars.I have only known or met two in the last eight years if that gives you any idea.

    For Serbia it cannot be the same when the war takes place in your own cities, for years on end, corrupting and destroying everything in its wake. This, I think, is the analogy the film makes, and does so to great impact. If you have ever known a drug addict who destroys themselves as they do in Requiem for a Dream, I think you may begin to see why I think the two films are comparable.

    The big difference, and it is a huge one, is that Requiem is about individuals, while Srpski Film is an indictment on an entire country.

    It is well-documented the director didn't experience the war in Serbia as many people did, coming from an intellectual, well-to-do background. Still, as an parable or analogy, it is incredibly powerful and painful, and days after viewing it I still am feeling it ripple through me like a particularly bad, vicious dream.

    And that, I would go so far to say, is what makes it one of the few films worthy of being called "art" like Requiem- a distinction I would give very few films, but in this case I think wholly deserved, as disgusting and depraved as some of the content undoubtedly is.

    As for offense-absolutely none taken. I appreciate your comments and perspective on what is obviously a divisive and yet important film that will undoubtedly be infamous.

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  3. I just finished watching the full movie and have read the article, kiki's reply and your response. Like Kiki I am also a Serbian living in Canada. While I can see the directors implied metaphors I agree with Kiki, they do not properly represent the situation of the Serbian nation. I believe the movie is a strong reminder of the negative effects of violence, war and perversion and the consequences of all three when mixed together for people of all nations. While it can be seen as a reminder of the sheer horror experienced in Serbia it should not be associated solely with the Serbian nation. Let's not forget that the atrocities of war are experienced by all participants in every war throughout history. Same goes for the governmental metaphor, all nations have had horrible leaders and suffered at one time or another. Basically what I'm saying is the metaphors make sense, but are by no means accurate associations with Serbia.
    Personally, I think the movie was very well done, it was sadistic, twisted and original, a true addition to the horror genre. But, I would appreciate it more if the name were changed. As the name is now, it just gives uneducated viewers more reason to rant about a country that is already portrayed negatively by western media.

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  4. Dear Anonymous Reader,

    As a resident and citizen of a country often misrepresented by art and various mediums I empathize with your comment but have no sympathy for your position because my country, like yours, is often villified, but honestly there is justification to do so. Does it tell the whole story about the U.S. in movies like Scarface, American Pshycho, American Gangster, American Beauty, Texas Chainsw Massacre, King of New York, A Bronx Tale, Kalifornia ad nauseum? Of course not.

    Does these films reflect a certain part of us? Absolutley and without doubt.

    You may not like the title of the film, and what is says about Serbia, but that doesn't negate the truth, whether it be about your country or mine. Given the high interest of the film in this country, I will agree with your basic premise that these atrocities are not Serbian alone- I think Abu Grhaib and countless other instances illustrate the U.S. can be as barbaric as any other country- as much as we'd like to think differently.

    Your point, that these atrocities are the result of a combination of infuences and events is true- for Serbia, and mankind, and I believe that is why this film is a phenonemon way beyond the Baltic region. It resonates precisely because it is a human story that takes place in Serbia, not because it is a Serbian story. Still, the context and allegorcal nature of the film cannot be dismissed, nor should it.

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  5. Thank you very much for the extensive reply and I have to say that I do agree with most of what you have said including how the film is comparable to Requiem For a Dream.

    However, imagine this movie was an American production, had a big Hollywood budget and a famous movie star. I think that the perception of the whole film would be different. In fact this is the way most Serbians will experience the film, it had a big budget compared to most domestic movies and starred two very well known Serbian actors. And unless they hear from someone else that it has a deeper meaning they wont be able to draw the conclusion themselves. In fact I don't believe anybody of any nationality would if for no other reason but the sheer shock of the content.

    The same way I don't like movie makers thinking that their audiences are dumb and shoving the point/message they're trying to make in their face, I don't like movies where the supposed message is so unclear that no one would get it unless the director talks about it in an interview. Think about it, if this movie wasn't called Serbian Film and you didn't hear the directors intentions, would it have ever crossed your mind that it was trying to portray the analogy of what war does to a country?

    Thats my problem with this movie, if it doesn't have that correlation (which in my mind it doesn't), it's just another controversial movie made to shock the audience and create publicity. And they go about doing this in the most degrading, depraving way.

    Sure the explicit scenes enhance the films power but does that mean the makers shouldn't be criticized for it? I read somewhere that Radivojevic argued that our culture has become so desensitized to violence that the only way to truly communicate victimization is to be uncompromising in its depiction but I'm sure, for example, Requiem For a Dream or Klopka (which I highly recommend) communicate this a lot better without having to resort to such graphic content.

    Once again, thank you for taking the time to read and reply to my first comment.

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  6. Dear Kiki,

    I am unfamilar with Klopka but will make very attempt to see it, as I will Life and Death of a Porno Gand, which has often come up in discussions about Srpski Film.

    Excellent point about the title of the film giving it a meaning it may not have otherwise,for example if it were called "Milos' Last Chance" or "The Art of Porn" the film would likely be seen and interpreted in a very different way.

    But I would argue in Radivojevic's defense that the title gives the film a context that may have taken an hour or more to explain without it, i.e, what Milos and Vukmir did or saw during the war. Supposedly Tolstoy's "War and Peace" was originally called "All's Well That Ends Well." Thank God it wasn't, don't you agree?

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  7. And my apologies to all readers for the numerous typos in my comments.

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  8. The other film commonly discussed with Srpski Film is correctly called "Life and Death of a Porno Gang" which had significant financial support from the Serbian government for its production.

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  9. And I should have written Balkan, not Baltic in my reply to anonymous reader- my sincerest apologies.

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  10. I'm just stumbling upon this blog and I want to first give credit to both you John and your commentors. There's some great discussion going on here that's as interesting to read as your well-done review itself.

    I watched A Serbian Film yesterday in preparation for Outside the Cinema (podcast)'s live show discussion of it last night. As an American, I regret to say I don't have a strong knowledge of Serbia and while I don't consider A Serbian Film a history lesson, I agree with John in that it works as a parable. I know there have been atrocities committed by the government and soldiers and what I took from A Serbian Film was not necessarily that THIS is Serbia, but more that a government or someone in power can make even a good man do horrendous things. Did I need to see a man rape his son in order to get that? No, of course not, but that's what extreme art does. A Serbian Film reminded me a lot of Sarah Kane's plays, which use extreme sex and violence to draw a full picture of what war can do to society.

    I'm sure stronger films will be made to express some of these ideas--for all I know, they already have but being a genre film fan, I don't hear about them until they show up in Fangoria. Still, as frustrating and wrong as this movie is, I respect that it's there to say something. People have been comparing it to Cannibal Holocaust and Men Behind the Sun and I think that's apt; like those films, this one goes too far but does so in order to make a point, however ham-fisted it may be. Compare that to more trashy and exploitive torture porn or cannibal fare and you can see the difference.

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  11. Most intelligent review and debate I've seen on the movie so far, so thanks to all the above.

    For my part, I'm still reeling from the experience. I can't remember being so profoundly shocked by a movie - moreso its after-effects - in quite some time. I'm still in the dream state the author describes in one of his comments.

    But it's good to see it's provoked some great writing and discussion, as despite the barbarity of the movie, it demands to be engaged with intellectually. But never enjoyed.

    I need to watch Babe 2: Pig In The City to come down.

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  13. I watched this film because I was curious and wondered if it really was a sick as some people said it was. They were right, I cant get the image of a ___________________ out of my head. I am honestly horrified at this film and I have seen some bad things in my life. If I met the director I think I would actually punch him in disgust at the scenes he put into this film.

    It could have been horrific without the ________ _________ scenes. This is unacceptable in any film aimed at either cult or main stream audiences.

    If I met anyone who was thinking about watching this film I would say PLEASE don't, it will harm your soul forever.

    I might and seek professional help now.

    All the best

    [This comment has been edited because it contained spoilers- with apologies, JM]

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  14. First of all, I want to say that I always admire when people tend to think rationally, to see the reality from many different sides, trying to bring healthy conclusions. Because, I really think that prejudices, generalization, jumping on conclusion and other logical mistakes are never good for human relations. My opinion is that people in this conversation managed to avoid such mistakes, and were writing rationally, with respect to others.
    I am Serb from Serbia (forgive me if my English is not good), and I was probably closest to all the situations Serbia have been through than any of you guys commenting this issue. Thus, I have to say, if we are talking about general state in which my country is now, it is far away from the extremes showed in the movie. Almost every nation have been through numerous wars in history (WWI, WWII are just some of the examples…) and that doesn’t mean that after that they all got crazy. As a matter of fact, if you come to Serbia, Belgrade for instance, you will probably feel like in any other European Capital. Underground ‘evils’, criminal and different kinds of deviances are, I suppose, present in all societies.
    If we see this film as an allegory for what government and those who are generally in power are doing to its own people (‘raping’ them), something like that can be attributed to Serbia definitely, but also to the rest of the world. So, I assume, that message is universal.

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  15. Thank you for your comments- and your English is pretty damn good. You raise a very good point about some universal truths and somewhere in this thread I wondered what a "An American Film" would look like if someone were bold enough to make a comparable allegory. Then again, I'm not sure I'd want to see it.

    I do think it is interesting (and understandable) that Serbs seem to consistently want to distance themselves and their national identity from this film.

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  16. I just watched the movie yesterday, the truth is that at some points it made me laugh hard. I mean: Its a well done movie that (more or less) try to justify all the atrocities and violence displayed on screen telling to the viewer thats a metaphor of war and politics. Yeah, right. Stick a penis into someones eye socket is a metaphor of what? Also, i feel it not believable in the way of whats natural for the character. When i think bout mad, wild, beastly revenge thats not what it comes to my mind. "...the drugs". Bleh. Really?

    I really dont mind to see lots and lots of violence, we do it every day, but this movie is pedantic, idiotic and immature. Paradojically, it could be solved cutting a pair of gags: the eye socket one and the very last ending. I think the director needs to grow up, be a little more mature and stop wanking all day.

    This is far away of being a masterpiece.

    Sorry for my bad english and Greetings from México. However, its nice to see a good discussion bout a movie ñ_ ñ

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  17. Hola Vicente,

    Su ingles es muy bueno.

    I'm not sure I want to know what parts made you laugh hard and don't tell me because I delete all the comments with spoilers. Your response is unusual and I don't see where it's pedantic.

    I wonder what you thought of "Martyrs."

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  18. the problem i have with all this, is that this type of explanation for a movie i.e. 'we made it in response to the horrors of x' is a relatively new wrinkle in film theory. it's always been around, but it really began to pick up steam back in the sixties when critics and theorists decided that george romero had made night of the living dead as a response to the vietnam war. in no review done *at the time* will you see george romero talk about the vietnam war. he said simply that he wanted to make a film which would scare the crap out of people.

    same goes for texas chainsaw, last house on the left, etc. all were extreme films (ha, the good old days) later described as films made in response to the horrors of x, but at no time during the productions were the directors discussing anything like this. they wanted to make films which frightened people. did they themselves pick up on this line and use it themselves at a later date? most definitely. at the time they made the films? no. theorists and critics are the ones who append meaning to the particularly troublesome and/or extreme films of their times. sometimes the argument of 'we made this film as a response to x' makes sense, and sometimes it doesn't. in my opinion, for this film, it doesn't. i certainly find it questionable when the filmmakers themselves start to spout about it.

    i don't know why you discount the opinions of the serbs who have responded to you here. it doesn't sound like they're saying 'serbians don't do this, we're not like this as a people', it sounds like they're saying that the rationale for the film given by the filmmakers feels like BS to them. if the film is truly a response to the horrors of the serbian war, then i'd like to know where the bosniaks and the croats are. shouldn't the bosniak women be the ones getting raped and murdered? i'd like to see the deep and meaningful allegory that shows me the pain of the serbian people. because what i saw was a fake snuff film from beginning to end, period. it's not about the pain of the serbian people, it's about looking at all the previous lines drawn in the sand and then seeing how far they can step over the last one.

    don't give the filmmakers credit for using a line that was essentially handed to them because they're film school kids who know the history of horror film in particular. well-heeled film school kids who were far more sheltered from the pain of day-to-day life than most. saying that this film is a response to the brutality of life as a serb is a shield for them to hide behind.

    the thing that angered me the most about this film--besides the fact that it is unrelentingly abhorrent--is the dishonesty of the filmmakers. they aren't showing us the pain of the serbian people. they are saying 'hey, you want to see something f*cked up? check THIS out!' and trying to tell people that it has some deeper political meaning. i found no deeper political meaning, no allegory, because there is no time to even form a thought that would allow that process to begin once the 'action' has powered up. it's simply an assault on the senses. if you want that, you can watch mondo films and get the same uneasy, sickened feeling and absolute lack of catharsis.

    as for your question above re: martyrs--i'll just jump in here--it makes perfect sense to me that the film plays out the way it does. it is a near literal homage to some of the more disturbing theories of georges bataille, and the filmmaker in question even includes a photo from the tears of eros, which means to me there was thought and intent behind the film which automatically elevates it.

    if the filmmakers had the cojones to come out and say that they made it because they wanted to make the most disturbing film one could make short of actually creating a snuff film, i'd have a lot more respect for them.

    mileage may vary, of course.

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  19. Livvie,

    That's some serious food for thought. Your point about revisionism on the part of directors is a good one, but I think one of the most interesting things about the horror genre is how the films reflect the fears, paranoias, etc. of the era and culture from which they arise- this is especially easy to map in the 20's, 30's 50's,70's and 80's but I think it can be done for every decade give or take a few years.

    Somewhere higher in the thread I mentioned I read somewhere that everything which happens in the film was actually perpetrated during the war. For that reason I still think the allegory works, though there can definitely be a whiff of "tho doth protest too much." I would agree the filmmakers wanted to make the most disturbing, transgressive film possible and perhaps they've succeeded. The question is why they wanted to make that film and why choose that particular title in the first place? Everything about it so deliberately executed and at a very high level.

    The hype around this film, and the number of people who have blogged or written about what happens in it, is unfortunate. I consider myself lucky to have it seen without knowing what was going to happen and with a complete unawareness of the hype.

    And I hope I'm not coming across as "discounting" the opinions of the Serbs on this thread, I'm just not willing to buy their argument wholesale, having watched a lot unfiltered news footage from the war when I spent 5 months in Europe in 1994. Nothing like that was shown in the States and it was pretty awful.

    Good point re "Martyrs" which is a film I still can't really come to grips with on what I think of it. From my perspective, I don't find it as powerful as a Serbian Film, but in a way it's more disturbing.

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  20. I would echo John on the point that a film doesn't need to have been made with political intent to still be political. Sure, Romero may just have wanted to make a monster movie, but Night still stands as a testament to a changing America, whether he intended it to be or not. I always find it interesting that David Cronenberg never intended his version of The Fly to be an allegory for AIDS, yet as soon as you start to think it so,the film feels like a perfect metaphor.

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  21. I've always seen the slasher movies of the 80's reflecting the AIDS outbreak- have sex = get killed, but for some reason I never thought of The Fly that way until now and you're right- it is perfect.

    Since this post is so popular, I never get far away from thinking about this film and the more I think about it the more I believe the war/political allegory holds. In fact as time goes on (it's been two months since I've seen it) my opinion of the film grows higher the more I think about it.

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  22. hey again john,

    i love your opera posts by the way. i'm a giant puccini fan!

    i'm sure that everything that happened in ASF has happened, period--war, no war, or any war. war rape in particular has a long and storied history whether it be for reasons of terrorism or genocide. human beings have been around a long time and certainly long enough to do everything that's been done in the film. there are cases of criminals (charles ng/leonard lake) who've videotaped their crimes, and while i don't want to look at that either, i know it's out there.

    i think that the intensity of this film--it *is* intense, and it *is* powerful simply because it shows you things you've never seen before--has caused viewers to respond in one of two ways. either they immediately rail against it; or they uneasily accept that because of that intensity, it must somehow be an 'important' film. the unrelenting brutality must be there for a reason, right? they couldn't have just made the film to--good lord--freak people out, right? so people desperately try to assign a higher meaning. i know that i don't want to believe that people (through no fault of their own) have become this desensitized to pain that making a film like this is just another day at the office.

    apparently in serbia, '[we] are fucked from birth through death' in the director's own words. i think that might be a commonplace in rwanda or any number of places across the globe, but they haven't yet made movies which use fake snuff films as their jumping off point to justify themselves. i'm just not sure that higher meaning the filmmakers want to append to this picture exists, and as i said, it's this perceived lack of honesty that bothers me.

    have you seen the other much-discussed serbian film 'life and death of a porno gang'? it deals with much the same issues, and in much the same way, and for all that feels like a more honest film to me. give it a look, if you've a mind to. google for the trailer and see if you feel up to it.

    martyrs is a troublesome film for me. i feel that the very narrow focus of the second half almost--not quite, but almost--obscures that very brief yet still important reference to bataille for me. but it is that tiny bit of intelligence which spares it, somehow. would i recommend the film to many people? i'm not sure.

    i wanted to say thank you for this blogpost. there are a lot of things i've been thinking about this film for a long time, and there wasn't really any place to put them that felt thoughtful enough. this was it. much appreciated.

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  23. emily, hey there.

    your point that "Romero may just have wanted to make a monster movie, but Night still stands as a testament to a changing America, whether he intended it to be or not." is not one i dispute anywhere in my previous post.

    i will reiterate from my annoyingly large wall of text above:

    "theorists and critics are the ones who append meaning to the particularly troublesome and/or extreme films of their times. sometimes the argument of 'we made this film as a response to x' makes sense, and sometimes it doesn't. *in my opinion, for this film, it doesn't.*"

    asterisks above for emphasis.

    i'm assuming that you *have* seen ASF but in my opinion any political statement attempting to be made--assuming i believe there was one to begin with--is lost immediately once milos arrives at vukmir's place.

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  24. Thanks Livvie- you are only the second person who's admitted to reading both topics.

    I have not seen "Porno Gang" but I do want to. I saw ASF at a screening here in SF and I haven't been able to find a screening or dvd of "Porno Gang" and though I'll admit to having tried, I haven't been able to master the whole torrent download thing.

    It's probably a good thing there isn't a Rwandan sub-Saharan version of this film. Your points about the atrocities, war or not, are well-taken. The few people who's comments on various blogs (including one here) claim they find parts of ASF funny are disturbing to me because I hate to think there are people so desensitized but yes, they certainly do exist.

    For me ASF works, while in something like "The Girl Next Door" and possibly "Martyrs" it doesn't- for reasons that are echoed in this thread. I'm not familiar with Bataille beyond recognizing the name, but after doing some looking at Wikipedia I get the connection. That's some dark material.

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  25. Yup liviee, I watched A Serbian Film about a month or two ago. I had read an article about it in Fangoria and the filmmakers seemed to fall somewhere in the middle of how you characterize them. Yes, they're young and certainly milked their boundaries, but I do think they were actively making the film with those symbolic aspirations, however pretentious or overdone they may have been for some viewers.

    I may have also appreciated it because it reminded me a lot of my one of my favorite playwrights, Sarah Kane. She also would wrote very political work that used insanely graphic imagery to evoke wartime suffering. Worth checking out.

    When you say that "any political statement...is lost once Milos arrives at Vukmir's place," what exactly is your reasoning?

    In regards to mondo fimls, I actually think A Serbian Film has far more merit than most, especially the ones that cross the line to deliver the money shot of animal violence. I think a valid comparison for ASF would be Men Behind the Sun, the 1989 film about the Japanese medical experiments during WWII. On one hand, it actually tells some factual history but it becomes incredibly problematic when the film resorts to unnecessary gore porn or a slain cat.

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  26. as a woman who appreciates the extreme or outlandish it stands to reason that i might like sarah kane's work, yes. /grin

    my favorite work of hers is undoubtedly blasted, though i enjoyed crave very much as well. i was lucky enough to see a production of blasted--which is the kane work i find to be most pertinent to the discussion of ASF as it deals with the serbian conflict--in 2008 at the soho rep.

    again, i can only refer to my wall of text above to answer your question "When you say that "any political statement...is lost once Milos arrives at Vukmir's place," what exactly is your reasoning?"

    i said that
    "i found no deeper political meaning, no allegory, because there is no time to even form a thought that would allow that process to begin once the 'action' has powered up. it's simply an assault on the senses. if you want that, you can watch mondo films and get the same uneasy, sickened feeling and absolute lack of catharsis."

    in kane's work there is catharsis. in this film there is none. there is only the power of the image, and again, in my opinion, the power of the image does not automatically mean that something important is being said. it merely means that you've seen something which is difficult to get out of your head. for example, when i saw the footage of budd dwyer blowing his brains out, it stayed with me for a very long time because i had never seen a man blowing his brains out before. ultimately (and sadly), it doesn't mean any more than that.

    my comment about mondo films is there only to illustrate that if one wants to see violence without catharsis (or as i put it, 'an assault on the senses'), that's a good place to go. i wasn't attempting to relate ASF to mondo in any way.

    i have one minor quibble and that is this--i will say that i think man behind the sun is a faulty analogy since it is a fairly *accurate* albeit exploitive telling of the atrocities committed against the chinese people by unit 731 of the occupying japanese forces. ASF says *absolutely nothing* about the serbian conflict, unless you listen to the director telling you 'oh, by the way--that's what this film is about' after the fact. it's simply a fake snuff film.

    therein lie my issues.

    there's little more i can say about this, but i have truly enjoyed the polite and awesome discourse this afternoon.

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  27. hello,
    I would like to comment on The film, I saw it the other day and I dont like it anything, if criticism very well the context tainted police and the director of the orphanage, but really that's the point of the film? I have a Serbian friend who lives in Berlin, Ithink that he dont feel very identified as Serbian in this film.
    It has some interesting shots, but that is not so difficult to do now.
    I am a mother and still if I like the underground cinema, cult and cool cinema, punk, gore, terror, class b, this is empty and meaningless, gratuitous violence to give good sideas to youth people, wich sexuality can evolve as macabre and has its fans! I really think as a guy who commented earlier, if I were a filmmaker not spend my money in this shit so surely my creativity would ask me to say something else!

    e.m.e
    (Im spanish sorry if my english its not perfect!)

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  28. Hello,

    I read this in other review:

    Porn Star = Serbia

    Director = USA, NATO, EU

    Camera people = CNN, BBC, NBC

    Wife and Brother = Bosnia, Croatia

    Son = New generation that was screwed

    Family = Yugoslavia that died

    The ending scene, they were gonna do it again, my guess is IRAN. They already did it in Iraq, Yugoslavia, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Korea etc. All of this because of money. Wow what a sick society we are. What is different about this, and the chopper in Iraq cutting down people on street?

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  29. I was born in Yugoslavia. I've spent half of my life in Yugoslavia, and the other half is torn between Serbia and Bosnia.

    Every time I wake up, for the past 20 years, I have a similar feeling that one has after watching "A Serbian Film" - a feeling of waking up in a horror in which you took a leading role to create, yet you had no chance to change anything to better, at any given moment of the process of creation. You're in a horror, you carry the burden of initiation, you still take part in it for some reason, and you can't stop it although you see everything has gone too far; you cannot stop the horror, now it is too late, no matter what you want and what you do.

    That is the analogy some miss in the movie, and that is why the film is a true masterpiece.

    A suicide in post-war Yugoslavia, both on the movie screen, and in a real life, is pointless, because that is exactly what the sick nouveau rich, the new tycoons want of us: to earn more, and more, and more, even on one's death. It is not the state of Yugoslavia, in it's geo-political existence that is raped and murdered - it is the people of countries that remained after who went, and still go through a physical and psychological analogy of "A Serbian Film" torture. Thus "A Serbian Film" is not only a piece of art, it is a very serious document of a time, too. Great review, tnx.

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  30. Thank you very much for stating that so eloquently.

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  31. ...reading all of these comments and hearing about the movie, has posed a huge question: should I see it or should I not...? As a 100% Serbian and yet another victim of the Yugoslavian war from the day one until the end, if it ever actually ended, not sure if there should be added more of the anger with yet another bad (true or not true) picture about our small country, or Balkan in general.
    From all of the opinions, and they are just but opinions as not too many of you have actually seen a war so close (respect to others), I personally would appreciate more if this move had a different name. Now, I am not an expert in movies as you all are, but just expressing a different side. There is no reason for anyone to give this label of a movie to our wounds... as it seems to me this movie only portray the week, mentally retarded, and sick minds and those minds represent a very small group of "animals" that came from any war. Actually there are many who have never heard of a war and still can very much so relate to all of the movies mentioned by you.
    With all due respect, movie is not even close to represent our minds or minds of Serbia as a whole after the crazy war... because right now, we are nothing but bunch of tired and run-down people who want to make a good living free of bad memories, and it is nothing but a constant fight. After so many post-war Serbs living in all of the world, I assume we would have bunch of rapists running around?
    As someone who respects and actually loves most Serbian old movies, perhaps, I rather stay away from this yet another horror story with no meaning or real value. I guess I do not want to lose respect for the actors or producer either...
    If I wanted to make "Serbian Movie" it would be about someone waking up, not in horror to rape..., but someone who wants to get up, but can't...

    All the best.

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  32. Your last sentence contains one of the most beautiful metaphors I've ever read. Thank you for commenting and sharing these thoughts.

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  33. Ok hey guys, I've just read the whole blog and I must say, you lot are very clever indeed! I'm not going to sound half as intelligent, primarily because I don't have an extensive knowledge of movies and serbia but here goes anyways...

    Basically the only thing that bothers me about this whole debate is whether this movie is 'art" or not... now i'm not going to start a massive debate on Art because it will never end but the point i'm trying to make is that , yes artists have always pushed boundaries and some very famous and recognised artists have created some quite shocking work over the years but I fail to comprehend how this could have any link to Art...

    To me it truly feels like those who supposedly "get this" movie and think it's genius and groundbreaking are of those types of people who look down on others and assume that those who "don't get it" are just idiots who cannot see past the obvious and the 1st degree...

    that really annoys me... I mean it's about perspective and subjectivity but give me a break... there is so much "art" these days, that is actually just one big arrogant,self-absorbed, turd ...
    Now I used to like art but the more I went to view pieces the more I ended up being cynical about every piece and wondering whether this or that was really art...

    Now I agree with one of the female posters above... it does feel like the director is using the "serbian war after-effects" argument as an excuse to give his work any value or merit... I do understand the point about George Romero not actually intending his "NOTLD" to relate to the vietnam war but I don't accept it nevertheless...

    I cannot stand the idea of people looking back at works from shakespeare , picasso or michelangelo and dissecting every little detail and claiming to know what the original artist meant by this or that... it's arrogant first of all and more often than not probably a load of shit...

    Now I know I'm being a bit harsh perhaps but I still respect all the other opinions formed here and actually found them very very interesting...

    I also think Films that truly have hidden messages and parallels are usually the ones that don't advertise it... The ones, you can figure out for yourself...
    On top of it, It is so crude and atrocious that it's ruined any chance it had of having any merit... if the director had kept the "shock factor" in and around the line of taboos and not completely leaped over it , then I think there would have been more of a connection with the serbian war... purely because atrocities are only atrocious when they are not seen... there should have been a bit less "in your face" but a bit more " i'm giving you little clues that this horrible act is happening " suggestiveness is often more powerful...

    My last argument also is how many viewers are going to comprehend the message about serbian war??? If it was the director's true idea and feeling to send out that message then he has failed miserably because only a few will get it... unless they watch one of his interviews...
    This is why I think it's all bullshit to be honest... If the guy had true and honest reasons to shock in such a way to get a message across, then I believe he would have given the viewers more time to make connections and to think about things themselves, to truly have an impact on them...

    I didn't feel sorry or think about serbia in any way after seeing this movie... that's what worries me. I don't want Serbia to receive even more of a bad reputation now, I wish the director had kept the same idea (although it is still crazy) and given us a bit more space to imagine how much worse it actually is... Instead there is so much horror and eye sore that that's all you can think of, it loses it's "real" aspect... I wish it had given me an insight on post war serbia but instead it just felt like one big farce , so far from reality...

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  34. I don't remember if anyone in this thread has called the film "art" but I definitely stand my claim that it's a masterpiece and that's not because I have some pretensions about my own tastes (though I must have some to have started this blog, right?) or consciously strike a pose to look down on others.

    I went into this film blind, not as some sort of horror genre litmus or endurance test to see what my reaction to it would be. It's a pity so many people who are now watching this film approach it so jadedly and are merely watching because of the hype. It's a serious film with a serious POV. As for it feeling like a farce- that's almost incomprehensible to me so perhaps you can elaborate on what makes you see the film that way?

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  35. If it's meant to be a serious film with a strong message then why advertise it in such a way? They obviously wanted to shock so that the message would spread that this is probably one of the most messed up films ever made ...but by doing so they lost all respectability... some of the more cult foreign movies that have been a great success , have become cult, through mouth to word... after having seen it, like you, as a neutral...
    I just think that, putting so much horror=> has made a lot of people talk about it and given it a lot of publicity => but it has attracted the wrong type of audience => which means that the core message about serbia has been lost ... that's why I think it's a farce... If the director truly cared about sending out a message about his homeland to the world, then he would have made sure it was a bit clearer and not hidden by an avalanche of sick twisted atrocities...

    Perhaps he thought that by adding more shock factor it would make people realise how bad it was for serbia at times... but I honestly think it was a mistake and it has done the complete opposite...

    I read the interview before seeing the film, so I was aware of the message but I can honestly tell you that I didn't have one single thought towards serbia at the end of film... why? because there was just too much shock to give me enough time to think about it...

    Most of the comments here have come from serbs, you guys have a lot more knowledge about your country than i do but I'd like to think that when a film comes out and has a message, it would like to touch all types of people... well it's definitely failed... I don't see many foreigners being educated in any way from this movie... it will only be remembered for the shock and not for the message...


    PS: I didn't point the finger at you John, when I was talking about arrogant people looking down... it just reminded me of those type of people in the art world who claim to "get/understand" a piece of art, when in reality it's just a piece of poo...

    I know no one here has used the word "art" per say... but that's the big debate in the media world... it's what you have done as well by comparing it to requiem for a dream, which in itself has been called a work of art of the film world.

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  36. I watched this film yesterday because i had read about it in a film magazine and was intrigued to see how it compared to other similar films such as hostel because of what thay said about it.I have to say that after i had watched it i wish i hadn't.I could put up with the extreme violence in the film as we have seen this type of thing many times before in similar movies but the scene with the pregnant woman was just so horrific i could not get it out of my head and still havn't.I just don't understand what the director was thinking of putting something like that in a movie.I think of myself as an open minded and liberal kind of person and am not in favour of cencorship in general but this was going to far.Whoever thought up the idea must have a warped mind and and i would urge anyone thinking of watching this film to think twice as once you have seen it you will find it very hard to shake the image of one particular scene from the film.
    yours
    Anonnymous

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  37. 'A Serbian Film' is now screening uncut at the British Horror Film Festival on October 30th!

    Check out www.filmfestivalguild.com for tickets!

    Other features showing include Neele, Voodoo Lagoon and Devil's Playground!

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  38. I'm writing from a viewpoint of ignorance here, as I haven't seen this or any of the other films mentioned, nor the one I'm about to mention! I just thought this might provoke someone else to comment with more authority.
    From what I understand, Pasolini's Salo or the 120 Days of Sodom was a precursor of this sort of deeply-shocking, supposedly-politically-allegorical statement. As I understand, the horrors in that film are more hinted at/ suggested than graphically depicted - is this because of a necessary shock-inflation syndroma over the intervening decades, or because the director's intentions were more serious. Nonetheless, Pasolini's film has provoked debates similar to the one above: is it exploitaive - is the violent, shocking imagery titilating? Or is it justified?

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  39. Oh yes- and another pint I don't think anyone's raised: If we ARE to accept the director's allegorical justification at face value, how valid is the analogy the film's scenario proposes? Isn't the idea of a nation 'hypnotized' into carrying out atrocities entirely against their will A: a cop out - a reductio ad absurdam of 'we were only obeying orders' B: desparately shallow - the process of brutalizeation is surely more socially complex, requiring sophisticated persuasion on many levels, and some collusion through self-interest and fear and C: repellantly pessimistic in denying the possibility of the exercise of free will?

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  40. Anonymous: Just to give warning, the horrors in Salo are DEFINITELY graphically depicted and not hinted at. It's part, some say, of the film's flaw: it throws SO MUCH disgusting imagery at you that you either a) give up in disgust or b) become immune to it and become unable to feel anything onscreen.

    It's a similar thing with Salo: because it shows you everything, a lot of people just aren't AS affected as if more was suggested.

    Anonymous' last comment also made me think of Michael Haneke's last film, THE WHITE RIBBON, which is something of an analogy for pre-WWII Germany, showing the generation that would become Nazis as children. It's so much more suggested than these other films (and Haneke's other work, which is generally very extreme and graphic) but it has an incredibly haunting power to it.

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  41. The similarities between Salo and ASF, at least in terms of each film testing their audience, are apt, though in many ways they are very different. I find Salo significantly more affective and disturbing thanks to its less, outwardly, stylistic aesthetics; while ASF seemingly busies itself with looking as polished, quickly cut and, for lack of a better phrase, contemporarily Western, Salo's painfully long takes and static or slowly panning or zooming shots simply present the various acts of sadism and promiscuous indulgence. In this way the viewer is held by the film, watching in real-time at what unfolds, the film placing nothing between the content and its audience. It seems rather ironic, then, that the modern sensibilities ASF employs to undoubtedly shock its audience through not only the content but the rhythmic and violent way its most frenetic scenes are cut, actually places more of a distance between the content of the film and the audience.

    Not that this is a trait found in ASF exclusively; this type of 'cut and shut' (as I like to call it) editing can be witnessed in nearly all commercial western cinema. I personally find this distracting in most cases, but it does ASF even more of a disservice through this separation of content from audience. Take the 9 minute rape in Irreversible or the last third of Martyrs; both feature unflinching scenes of brutality as in ASF, though crucially this brutality is also depicted unflinchingly, with long, transfixing shots, denying the audience the safety of a cut, effectively holding them in stasis in front of the screen with no option but to watch.

    It is these stylistic choices which, I feel anyway, show ASF for what it truly is as a film; sensationalistic fodder created to be as 'shocking' as possible to be sold right to the American market. It is in many ways the natural progression of the redundant 'torture porn' sub genre which until recent years had always been there, just didn't necessarily need to be named explicitly. Nothing really, apart from the obvious heightened violence and target taboos, really separates this from I Spit on Your Grave, Maniac, Cannibal Holocaust or even Faces of Death. All of those films, in their own ways and within specific time periods, sought to break the boundaries of what could be committed to celluloid and distributed.

    I don't think ASF is any different from these, or any other films which seek to deliberately bate the media and openly advertise themselves as taboo breakers. The title alone is perfectly memorable and serves the film well in terms of marketing; Serbian is the only word an audience need remember and it comes with the same connotations of Eastern Europe the Hostel films marketed themselves on, namely the underdeveloped, dangerous post Communist states that time, and seemingly, human evolution forgot. It is a very divisive way of controlling people's first contact with the film and should not be underestimated.

    While the director may discuss the film and its title as holding socio-historical significance, this for me holds little water as, as others have quite rightly already said, intelligent and though-provoking allegories and parables can be made without beating the audience over the head with their literal meanings. The worst culprit within the film is Vukmir, spouting lines as if the director had walked into frame and taken the scene himself. This for me is very lazy writing, as is the entire flashback structure of the second half, surely tension could have been created without the need to visit cliched structures such as this.

    I also didn't find it that shocking really, not that i'm desensitised or a sadistic fool, it just, for the majority of the film anyway, retread over things already seen. Maybe I've just become horribly jaded, who knows.

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  42. I'm the same anonymous as before. Thanks for setting me straight, Emily. Sorry for continuing to intervene, aven though I've seen none of these films (although I've seen my fair share of gratuititously nasty ones, that have squatted unwelcomely on my consciousness for months afterwards)- I'm just fascinated by the debate! Another thought that struck me was: if the director genuinely had a serious political agenda wouldn't he have avoided de-valuing his credibility by making a film that could so readily appeal to an audience of sick-thrill seekers? Isn't someone trying to have his cake and eat it? SafetyScissors's very incisive observations make this enquiry even more urgent. Clearly Pasolini found a way - in his radical use of cinematic address - to disturb in a way that stepped outside of the established conventions of horror, distancing itself from the genre, and although I still find his project severely dubious, it certainly smacks of artistic integrity in a way that the film under discussion doesn't.

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  43. There have certainly been some interesting comments here lately. I have to disagree with Safety Scissors’ contention that “It is these stylistic choices which, I feel anyway, show ASF for what it truly is as a film; sensationalistic fodder created to be as 'shocking' as possible to be sold right to the American market.”Based on what I understand Federal law prohibits what can be shown or implied regarding images of minors, I don’t think in its current cut ASF stands a chance of ever getting a release in the States. I’m almost surprised festivals will even screen it.

    Regarding Salo, which I haven’t seen (but I have read the book), I would posit any movie based on the work of De Sade is pandering to the precise audience to which you are accusing Spasojevic of doing with his film. I smell a double standard here. As for Pasolini's technique, that’s a subjective call. The very finest moment in House of 1000 Corpses is when Otis about to shoot the sheriff and everything stops, making the 28 seconds before he pulls the trigger one of the most excruciating and brilliant moments I’ve ever seen in a horror film, a technique Zombie repeated with the drawn-out seen in the hotel room in Devil’s Rejects. Yet entire films made that way grow tedious quickly, as Emily pointed out- but if you like that sort of thing subject yourself to the long version of Gaspar Noe's Enter the Void, which isn’t so much a movie as it is an endurance test. Had ASF been filmed that way it I think I would have found it unwatchable.

    I’m wondering why there is such reluctance to accept Spasojevic's claim of this film as allegory. Is it because people don’t want to envision or consider there could be a modern state this fucked up and we did nothing for years but stand by while it was being created? The Hurt Locker wasn’t so much about a guy who contains bombs in Iraq as it was a kick to the collective head to make us wonder how we are going to re-assimilate these soldiers back into society after what they’ve endured/committed/ witnessed yet I don’t remember anyone saying “bullshit- it’s just a war movie!”

    A couple of points to the most recent Anonymous One- I wouldn’t claim a film devoid of artistic merit without having seen it- especially one as controversial as this one is- save that for Spiderman 4 or Bring it On 8. I also reject the idea that Spasojevic's claim of the film as allegory is a somehow a “cop-out.”Perhaps I’m misunderstanding what you mean, but I wouldn’t want to have to defend that stance to large portions of Germans, Cambodians, Russians, Armenians, Rwandans, Serbs, Croats, and the list can go on for quite some time.

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  44. I just came across an interview I hadn't read before with Spasojevic on Bloodydisgusting.com

    Here's the link:

    http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/interview/638

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  45. Dear John, what I was referring to was the idea that "we were hypnotized into committing these atrocities" a stance that posits the individual participant's total blamelessness. I can see that the mechanisms of propaganda and mass hysteria can sweep ordinary people into these vortexes of horrific violence, but surely it's over-simplistic and horribly dubious for the individual to shrug off all responsibility in this way. Adult human beings may be subject to conditioning, but must ultimately take responsibility for their actions, and admit that resistance is possible - witness the accounts of the My Lai massacre and the soldiers who opted not to participate.

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  46. A Serbian Film will be playing at our upcoming film festival at Portage Theater in Chicago on Saturday, October 23rd. http://www.horrorsociety.com/festivals/

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  47. Well, I think this film is brilliant. I am from Serbia and I can't describe how happy I am that a film like this one comes from my country. This is truly something different in the Serbian cinematography. Though I have to admit that I really enjoy sick, perverted films, even those that clearly have no other purpose but to be exactly that-sick and perverted, this film in my opinion truly has a message, and deals with political and social issues of my little, oh so lovely country. I personally didn't find it the least bit shocking, but I still find it to be an intense and truly interesting ride. I am just sad that so many Serbs are sooo outraged and pissed-off by this film, instead of being proud of it. The vast majority of Serbs have that silly 'what will people say' kind of obsession and believe that foreigners will somehow, by seeing this film, come to conclusion that all Serbs are sick, perverted, child-raping, eye-socket fucking, snuff-loving bastards. Serbian mentality is a vast abyss to be explored, if you're brave enough...Anyway, I hope that there will be many more creations like this one in the future, because then, and only then will I give any credit to our cinematography. Udri tata, cepaj tata, cika Vukmir snima! Greetings!

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  48. It is plain and simple. The movie talks about evens that MUST have took place in a real life, or ARE takig place, somewhere, as we speak... And that is THE MOST HORRIFYING thing out of all. People are so focused on "how brutal" the scenes are, but why no one pays attention to the real issue ?? Just because that is not "personal reality" of any of us , luckily (meaning it is not something that is happening in our surrounding, it is not something we know of) it DOES NOT MEAN that it is not happening or has been happening, or WILL BE happening to someone, somewhere!!! THINK ABOUT IT ! IT takes only a powerful and veeery sick group of people to do something like this. So as for me personaly this movie is just an eye oppener to what kind of sick world we live in... Just think about all the missing people we see on TV every day, where do some of them end up ?? What about all those "mothers" who kill their new born? Can you be sooo naive to think that there are no people out there who would actually do such a thing ?? Just because we are normal does not mean that there are no sick people out there who are into something as sick as described in a movie. And "Serbian film" does not have to relate the story to a Serbia as a country. This is something that can be happenning anywhere in the world, but was made in Serbia. That is how I got it when I first heard about it, and then later on saw the movie. There are also some veeery good points in the movie such as 1.Be aware of a drugs that can literaly delete your memory for some time and make you do a horrible things. 2.As plain as it sounds, always be aware of what you are signing, 3.Metaphorically well said how running after money sometimes might put some tough choices in front of you that could make you lose EVERYTHING. All in total, masterpeace. And I am serbian by the way. And watched the movie in Serbia too.

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  49. To the Anonymous commenter from Serbia,

    I live in America and after watching this film, I do not at all think that all Serbians are like the people portrayed in this movie. Hell, i'm sure there are some in AMERICA that do those things. I've had my fair share of horror and gore, but this movie has left an impact on me like no other. I can promise you I will never watch it again, but will also never be able to forget it. If that's what the creator of this movie wanted then they did a damn good job. Could hardly sleep last night after watching this!!

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  50. Just going to say that this is the best comments I think I have seen on any post, let alone a movie review. Very interesting, insightful, well written.

    Well done to the reviewer, and all the respondents.

    I echo the two comments above me (Anonymous American, and dada640) that "I will (likely) never watch it again, but will also never be able to forget it" and "The movie talks about evens that MUST have took place in a real life, or ARE takig place, somewhere, as we speak... And that is THE MOST HORRIFYING thing out of all." So sad, yet so true, and horrifying. Just sample some big city news papers and there will be abundant atrocities everyday.

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  51. Thank you for the recent comments and compliments. ASF is going to be released in the UK and the US:

    http://abeastinajungle.blogspot.com/2010/11/serbian-film-to-be-released-in-us.html

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  52. Aleksandar Zarko Gakovic mentions:

    Please indulge me when I say could it be also that Serbians (me being one) #LOVE# to cross the line.

    I've always just thought this was an intrinsic part of who I am and definetely as the Serb that comes out in me-

    ----------------------------------------------
    -wHen he comes out he's always over the line.

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  53. Hi just thought I would add that ASF made the headline on the BBC's entertainment section of their website yesterday (for being the most cut UK theatrical release since 1994)- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11846906

    There is also a whole section on the British media's coverage of all the hype here - http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/thread00752_a_serbian_film.htm

    Personally, I am a 28-year-old British female Film Studies graduate and have seen the uncut version twice now. I intend on paying to see the film mainly because I want to see what the BBFC did to it, and because I want the filmmakers to benefit (not fair on them that everyone downloads!).

    I love the film! I could tell from the opening thirty seconds that it was going to be an enjoyable movie, and the acting, cinematography, soundtrack were all top-notch. It has the perfect runtime (does not outstay its welcome!), and also has plenty of humour running through it although that seems to have been lost on some people.

    I would like to say something about the BBFC's opinion that the film 'eroticises and endorses violence'. It did not slip my attention that all of the women in the film were ridiculously attractive. Even the girls in the shop that Milos goes into. I also noticed the shot of the billboard with the Wonderbra-esque advertisement on it. I do not believe that was put in by accident; women are objectified in society wherever you go and I think this film put that point across quite subtlety.

    If there had been one average to unattractive looking woman in the film I think it would have made it more realistic and probably more disturbing. As it stands, it is almost fetishistic, hence, unrealistic which probably made it easier for me to watch. Just my opinion.

    Also, respect to Srdjan Todorovic; most actors would not touch that role with a bargepole.

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  54. I could tell something had happened regarding the film when I checked the sitemeter the day before and saw more hits than this blog has ever received in a single day. Visitors from the U.K. have been outnumbering those from the U.S something like 6 to 1. It makes me wonder what will happen when it's released here.

    As for the way the women look in the movie, I can't say I agree with you because if the Serbian porn industry is anything like that in the U.S., there aren't many average-looking, much less unnattractive, women floating around in those circles. It's also been my experience (and I've heard this from travelers as well, that women in the Balkans and former Eastern bloc countries go to great lengths to look like models.

    I agree with you that there is probably nothing in the film appearing accidentally, Wonderbra-esque advertisement included.

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  55. The Serbian analogy seems to be have pasted on after and the real agenda was stretching the boundaries into the unspeakable to turn on an audience desensitised in the horror porn genre.

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  56. Films are like dreams - on the surface they are showing this, but underneath they are about that. When films are made artistically (intuitivally) there is perhaps a surrender to the subconsious which can often hold the key to bigger truths.

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  57. Iam an artist and philosophy writer and Iam shocked to see so many educated and inquisitive people being lured in by what is a carnal display of the worst kind. Iam not disputing any of the politics and social analyses made by my previous commentators, they are all valid criticisms of a war and its atrocities. However, as human being it is important that after a horror we are able to step back from that and analyse the root of what caused an event. That is how we heal and learn. Understanding the details of the horrors and reliving them through images in a movie does nothing for enlightenment. The reality is that most people will go to see a movie of this genre for what it is a horror movie at the extreme. -I will go further to say that there is no honor or respect for the events of the war by using the memory of it to promote a movie that has no hint of political ethos. If the producer and writers of this film wanted to truely educate and scathe the political government of their country they would have made a movie that didn't focus on harming the psyche of the viewer... As an artist I believe there has to be respect for your viewer...there is a relationship between an artist and the viewer that relationship is like any other....for understanding and knowledge to be obtained from a work of art there has to be respect for the viewer. This movie had no such respect, it is a means of terrorism of the senses. A movie can be shocking and groteque or even horrific But when it violates respect for the viewer it becomes an act of terror especially when it uses a sacred cause for its prolifiration. There is no real value in violating your psyche in the name of enlightenment, that is an abomination the meaning of the word.

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  58. just a few history facts you guys seem to have overlooked here:

    1. serbia started a war in slovenia
    2. serbia started a war in croatia
    3. serbia started a war in bosnia
    4. serbia started a war in kosovo
    5. serbia got bombed a little by nato and hasn't started a war since
    6. serbia started a war against any intelligence left in serbia (and i would call this an inteligent although a truly repulsive film)

    so, there wasn't a war going on in serbia but a war going on in neighboring countries in wich serbia was trying to expand it's territories
    i kinda see this film as a critique of that serbia, which after (and during) the war turned even against it's own citizens and no one was (and still is)safe of beeing raped by that serbia.
    every newborn is literally fucked since the the day it was born. it's a newborn porn!
    after u read the interview it's pretty clear:
    http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/interview/638
    cheers

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  59. oh boy, Anonymous above just summed it up in a nutshell so i'm gonna go along his lines. The horror shown in this movie is just your 'everyday boring war horror' happening everywhere from afrika, vietnam, iraq, yugo etc. This movie could be anybody's movie, but the thing is - director is a born Serbian - what makes this movie a Serbian movie. You see how clever he is? and why the Anonymous above has a point saying that newborns are fucked from the second they are concieved in Serbia. You can run but you can't hide.
    The atrocities shown are nothing compared to the real thing, that's what scares most people ..if they see this in a movie then what did really happend they ask ? That's the reason director went with the porn theme and beautiful porn actresses. Sex does make everybody just a bit more comfortable. If the women were 40/50 years old, dressed in old 'red cross' clothing that would be too much of reality to handle. There is a warchild tv advert saying something like 'you can take a child out of war but you cannot take the war out of child' This movie is a perfect example of that, Spasojevic is a true warchild, and his movie is his way to cope with things. I should know being one myself. So Serbian movie it is ...

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  60. I saw this movie on a website, www.novamov.com, and I watched it after I downloaded it to my hard drive. Call me a pervert if you want, but this movie didn't affect me one bit. I was not horrified, offended, repulsed, or disgusted by this movie. In some of the more graphic scenes, I found myself laughing. I feel that the target audience for this movie are perverts like me, pedophiles, or both. The only scenes that made me, I don't want to say look away because they didn't, avert my eyes from the main focus of the shot was when Milos's "penis", SO OBVIOUSLY FAKE, was shown on screen, or when gay male sex was portrayed. I wouldn't call myself homophobic. I just don't like seeing the naked male body onscreen. As for the ending, I thought it was perfect because it said to the viewer, "The movie may be over, but we aren't done yet!" Finally, the most disturbing thing, I think, about the "newborn porn" scene was not the scene itself, but the mother's reaction to what happened to the baby after she had given birth to it. What do you think?

    Thank you,
    George Waldman
    TheMatrix72370@yahoo.com

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  61. What do I think? I think you're a bit of an odd one, George.

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  62. Very sad day for Serbian Art and Cinema.
    Serbian national myself I asure you that Spasojevic/Director/Co-Writer is not a war child.
    Bigest hardship that kid went through was when he was going through his mama's purse or daddy's wallet.
    But still we have to defend his right to be an art hemorroid.
    Sad day for otherwise exceptional Serbian Cinema.

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  63. Alex,

    Insulting the filmmaker doesn't make you look informed nor does it suggest you have anything to contribute to the discussion of the film.

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  64. @ George Waldman

    you're right, mother's reaction was pretty scary. The way I see it is that was mother Serbia giving birth to another newborn, being a little confused for a moment and than smiled 'cause she had already seen so many of her babies being raped that she started to like it.
    regarding your other commets, i think u are right, u might be a pervert...
    it is pretty interesting how this film upset some Serbs here to the point that they called Spasojevic a spoiled kid. hm.

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  65. John,

    My comment had no intent to insult the young filmmaker.
    Call it an allegory to single out Spasojevic who is using "Serbian" and "us" as a justification born out of need to justify rather then genuine intent.

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  66. Having just watched this film,and looking for something thought provoking as well as hard hitting,I can say that in my opinion it's the biggest pile of faeces I've seen. I gave up at 80 minutes. It go for its shocks at the basest of levels. The whole thing was like a sick joke,told merely for its shock effect.

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  67. I saw this movie last night and at the risk of sounding somewhat psychopathic, I didn't find it quite as shocking or horrifying as most people seem to. It was actually better than I expected: Decent acting, original storyline, nice production - everything that is typically not associated with films like this.

    As far as the more graphic scenes going too far, it's not really any more graphic than a ton of other violent movies, but for some reason if you put an erect penis in those scenes it will somehow scar you for life. Obviously there are moments that definitely push the envelope, but unlike a lot of other reviewers, I did not find the scenes overly gratuitous at all (for the most part) and felt that it was a well made movie, an instant classic in fact.

    The things depicted in this film are just that - depicted. It is only a movie, after all. However, the things depicted do happen in the real world and that is the real horror. I don't know a lot about the Serbian conflicts, but taken on a larger scale, the brutality that is portrayed in this film has happened everywhere in the world at some time or another, and to me the movie shows the depravity that so many warped humans are capable of. Rather than shy away from that, A Serbian Film chooses to embrace it, un-apologetically.

    The one thing I would change is the scene where... how can I put this... Milos is intimate with a man's orbital cavity. I honestly could not help laughing out loud at the complete ridiculousness of the scene, like something straight out of a comic book. It was an absurdity which completely ruined the feel and flow of the movie, almost like comic relief. That's about 30 seconds that definitely should be edited out to preserve the film's continuity.

    Anyway, a good film, 4 out of 5 (at least as far as these types of films go), and I don't think it deserves a lot of the negative criticism it gets.

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  68. I find it very interesting that everyone thinks that this movie has something to do with the Balkan wars . If the director has actually said this , and I doubt it , then he is being disingenuous so he can sell his product to the west .

    Clearly the movie is a comment on the current capitalist system in Serbia which most people there are unhappy with due to corruption and elevated crime levels ( including pedophiles ) .

    The aim and concept is admirable but the execution is very ugly and in the end becomes part of the problem and even sends the wrong message about Serbia to western viewers whose conceptions about what happened in the Balkans is all wrong to begin with .

    All I can say is , if a movie like this can be made in Serbia then the end of the Empire must be near ( not the Roman one ) .

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  69. I haven't yet seen this film, but I plan to. Will try to get my hands on the uncut version. By the way, I have compiled a list of most twisted, sick, horrific, disturbing movies.

    If you would like to have a look at it, just copy/paste the link on a new window:
    http://measuringthetailor.blogspot.com/2010/12/twisted-sick-and-disturbing.html#comments

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  70. I think this movie could be a word to the wise. A carefully observed situation in the world's online pornography business.
    The writer and director wanted to show the 'naked truth' of how crooked we can all become in this world without values.
    The pornography industry has contributed to our moral sickness,lack of excitablity,and what is capable to offer in her lust for money.

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  71. After much thinking I still cannot justify the name 'Serbian Film'. Watched the film and don't actually see nothing that relates to Serbian nation except film's title. I'm far from professional but I can see movie has been recorded with HQ cameras (probably 32mm) and the sound is very good. Even a bad copy of the film still has very detailed sound and picture. It's been well directed and decent acting.

    But,

    My question is(sorry if I'm blowing this out of proportion) when will people stop stinging the Serbian national pride? And this director does he really expect that any Serb will have respect for this kind of screenplay? Like it's not enough that everybody blames Serbs for every bullet fired in the 90's on Balkan, now this represents the dark side of minds of post-war traumatized people? It is only metaphor if you want to think that it is.

    Anyway about the film: Acting is nothing special but decent still when I sum up everything this is a lot of horsepower with bad driver if you catch my point.

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  72. This movie was best described as "Torture Porn is dead and A Serbian Film Raped its corpse" I am repulsed by this film yet the film was brilliant. I live in the United States and I speak only for myself yet I believe we as a human race are so far removed from the reality of disgust that is happening all around us! This movie forces the viewer to witness the real sickness that is in humans! Maybe not you and definatly not myself but there obviously people who think these vile thoughts or the movie would never have been made. Aside from 2 scenes this movie would still be horrifying but digestable. A serbian Film has taken everything vile and disgusting and multiplied it by infinity. I can only hope I can erase this from my mind in time. I wish I had never watched it. If you feel like you MUST watch this film I warn you.. Once you see something you cannot UN-SEE it.

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  73. This write-up contains dialogue from the movie so may be considered a spoiler .

    I am tempted to interject my own opinions but who cares what I think anyway . I have the movie as a 5/10 but that is just a neutral number . My real score might be a 0 or it might be a 10 ; I am not going to tell you what it is . I am not going to comment on whether the movie is good or bad , whether it is appropriate viewing or not .

    I am going to outline for you what the movie is about but be warned that the movie
    is making some very specific political statements and many of those statements
    would not be received so well by a western audience . And I am not saying that I agree with any of them ; I am just going to tell you what they are . Spasojevic himself would never spell this out for reasons that will soon become obvious .


    Most of the dialogue in the movie is making reference to current issues being
    discussed in Serbia . In order to understand those references , you have to pay
    very close attention to the dialogue and have a good understanding of the
    political and socio-economic situation in Serbia .

    As you may know the current government in Serbia is pro-western and was
    installed about 10 years ago . Currently in Serbia there is great discontent
    with this government but neither have they seen other alternatives so every
    election is pretty much deadlocked with many parties joining each other
    in order to get enough votes .

    Let's start with the contract at the beginning of the film .
    Milos says "but i don't know what I am signing" .
    Vukmir says "You are not supposed to know. If you know you will not be so good."

    The contract represents the deal made with the western powers , at that time 10 years ago ,
    in exchange for promises of a better life , a better standard of living .

    When Vukmir says "You are not supposed to know. If you know you will not be so good." the
    meaning is "if you knew , you would not be obedient to your western masters."

    Here Vukmir represents the western powers , the EU , the USA , the architects , the "Directors" ,
    of the conflict in the former yugoslavia with the goal of economic exploitation of the region.
    This is not a viewpoint exclusive to Spasojevic .See for example the documentary
    "Weight of Chains."
    Milos represents the Serbian government .

    Vukmir : "There is a serious script . We know it , you don't" .
    i.e. the west's actions are not just an accident but a carefully planned script .

    "Only filmed here , but for the foreign market." is referencing that the Serbs are economic slaves
    of the western powers . For example , Serbian industry and assets are being sold off to
    foreign investors and corporations , in essence making Serbs employees of foreign
    corporations . More about this can be read here :
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15849

    Vukmir says "you could always make your d*** stand up like a c*** at dawn" . This is making
    fun of all the sucking up to the west that the Serbian government is doing .

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  74. Laylah says to Milos , "The problem with that pension is that it's not lifelong. How much do
    you have stashed?" . This is referring to mundane issues about low pensions and how the
    privileged have good pensions .

    The white rabbit : this is just saying that the promises made to the Serbian government by the west is a fantasy , a fake .
    When the guy puts the rabbit to his crotch , the director is telling you what he thinks of those
    promises .

    The thing about how Milos looks Swedish : This is trying to say that the Serbian government is
    "not one of us , they are foreigners , in cohoots with foreign governments"

    Vukmir says "Right hand is the sex center in any man . It's a direct line between your brain
    and c*** ." If you know the difference between Rightist and Leftist politics , you will see that
    this is a sarcastic jab against the Right .

    Vukmir says : "Do you know what is proof that there is art in pornography? You , Milos . Your
    sense of handling a woman , your rhythm , of exhausting her , your talent to humiliate her ,
    and then , when she is reduced to dog-s*** , to win her back ."

    More biting sarcasm . This is saying you exhausted NATO , humiliated NATO ( shot down stealth ,
    minimal damage to Serbian equipment etc. ) but later you just let her back in .

    Milos says "I dunno , I'm a little tired of cameras and f******." This one is obviously
    about the civil wars . Cameras are referring to the world news cameras .

    Vukmir : "You're also tired of h****** scum any time your family needs dough. Kissing some
    wretched c**** with the same lips you' kiss your kid "
    This one is about the Serbian government asking for monetary assistance from
    the foreign governments ( the scum ) . What kind of h****** ? Western politician says to serbian politician , "Here is some money under the table . Now you arrange to sell us this company for cheap."

    You should be able to see now that pornography here is a metaphor for the relationship between the Serbian government and the western governments .

    Milos to his wife : "No , he's some kind of artist with a grand plan ... seems like he
    desperately needs me since he's willing to offer such cash ." Sarcasm about how
    the western governments are waving the carrot in front of the Serbian government .

    Marko : "It's not a d*** , it's a police stick ...
    why isn't he ... limp , like all the normal people." Spasojevic considers
    the current government a fascist police state .

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  75. cont'd

    Vukmir : "Transmitted live to the world who has lost all that and now is paying to watch
    that from the comfort of an armchair ... Victim sells. " Referring to world media manipulation of the wars .

    Vukmir's rants . "This whole country is a bunch of kids discarded by their parents ."
    The people have been abandoned by their government ( hence the orphanage setting ) ; the government is busy looking after their own privileges and wheeling and dealings . One frequent complaint you will hear in Serbia is that there is no law .

    That's what I have for now ... i am currently working on other portions of the film and I will try to get back here another time .

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  76. That's a really interesting perspective/ take on the film which I can see. After so many comments I was beginning to think there was little left to add, but I think the fact there is so much to say and interpret in "A Serbian Film," and the extremely strong reaction it gets from viewers, is a testament to its strengths and gives it a meaning and relevance far beyond what those who dismiss the film as nothing more than a gratuitous example of "torture porn."

    Thanks for taking the time to comment and thank you to all the recent commenters to whose comments I haven't responded.

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  77. 1. That Serbia started all wars in former Yugoslavia is far from 'history fact'. In fact, the guilt is on everybody. "There would be no war if Croatia didn't wanted it", said Tudjman, Croatian President at the time. All sides are equally guilty. I could easily follow the line of some nationalists in Serbia (or Croatia or Bosnia) who put the guilt exclusively on other side(s). But that would not be the truth. It takes two to tango.

    2. This is not the film about the war. It's about governments who are mindfucking their own people. Like Radojevic said in one interview, it's a universal message. That fact it's shot in Serbia and is happening in Serbia makes it justifiable to call it A Serbian Film; it's also important to name it that way so that people would get the message, like already pointed out here. It could be easily placed in America, or UK, of France, or any other country. Serbian government isn't repressive in a way you presume. It's not really more repressive than US government, maybe even less. They are mindfucking us on a subtle level that needs serious elaboration, which isn't necessary to understand the film. The last scene made me laugh, because we have this weird saying (not always explicit, not uniformed), essentially, "jebu nas i kad umremo", which means, "they are fucking us even after we die". The fact that Vukmir is from the State Security, and that last scene, they made me complete convinced that ALLEGORY isn't bullcrap made up after the film, that it is genuine and omnipresent in the film. When you live in Serbia and able to catch all the little things in the film and recognize them, you see that it's really everywhere.

    On this place, I would also like to point out that communist Yugoslavia was the most liberal country of all other communist countries. We weren't even in what you could call "the Eastern Bloc". One of the slogans of Chinese students in 1989 was "We want to live like our comrades in Yugoslavia". What was unthinkable for other communist states in EE was reality in Yugoslavia. With Yugoslav passport, unlike with passports of Eastern Bloc countries, you could travel without a visa anywhere in the world. Shit, in most EB countries regular citizens couldn't even get the passport. Unlike in EB, we have football hooliganism problem since the 1970s, aproximately in the same time as in UK. If Yugoslavia was so repressive, it could easily handle it. It wasn't really that repressive.

    I recommend that you watch films of so called Black Wave of Yugoslav cinema from the late 1960s and early 1970s (When I am Dead and Gone, I Even Met Happy Gypsies, Zaseda, The Rats Woke Up, WR: Mysteries of the Organism). Although most of those films were banned since they were extreme critic of the regime (from socialist point of view, mind that), nobody got arrested, nobody went to prison. That may sound as a repressive state, but how's that different from destiny of Clockwork Orange in UK?

    Black Wave is almost entirely a Serbian movement. All the main directors were from Serbia, and films are mainly Serbian production (although, interrepublic cooperations were often in those days, between Serbian and Croatian film houses). That is were ASF springs from, that is the cinematography tradition that is at it's basis.

    I'm pointing this because I read that some people think the film's about like last 50 or 100 years, while Radojevic himself stated it's about last 20 years. Nevertheless, even if it goes in time of the wars, it's not about Serbian involvement in those wars, it's about attitude of Serbian government towards it's own people.

    P.S. Serbian porn industry could also be a metaphor. There is no real-life Serbian porn industry. There are porn films, but industry? I don't think so.

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  78. Thanks Autoboy.

    Once again, just as I begin think there's little left to add to this discussion you've opened it up even further. I'll definitely seek out the films you've mentioned above.

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  79. Yes, but mind that the films I mentioned aren't adult horror films. They are dark depictions of that-day Yugoslav reality, betrayed revolution, and critic of a regime all-in-all.

    The list I gave you isn't full. Google it for more, and this page is pretty good, so you can follow it, both in further search and both as suggestions of films mentioned (don't mind the 'romantic comedy' line in html address; non of these films are romantic comedies): http://www.filmreference.com/encyclopedia/Romantic-Comedy-Yugoslavia/Yugoslavia-NOVI-FILM.html

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  80. Sorry for spamming, there is one thing I missed to point out to.

    When you look banally, without taking allegory in mind, there is hardly anything Serbian in this film. Like I pointed out before, there is no porn 'industry' in Serbia. There are porn films, but these are amateur-like very-low-budget film, thus no porn 'industry'.

    Secondly, murder rate in Serbia is very low. In fact, UN puts South East Europe (excluding Albania) as (one of) the safest region(s) in the world. Belgrade is probably one of the safest capitols of Europe in the past decade. For example, Belgrade has 3x more population than Baltimore (US), with 10x less murders per year (25-30 murders in the city of more than 2 million). The footage of citizen unrest (2 in the past ten years) that trouble some people are no different from footage of any anti-globalization protest in other European or North American capitols.

    In the past 10 years, there was only few pedophilia cases, and only one of necrophilia. Nothing remotely similar to that German case when a guy killed and ate other guy while broadcasting it on internet.

    There is, however, a lot of amateur inter-minor sex created by those minors, that can be found on the web. And, some of the murders in Serbia are family related (like one member killing other members, then committing suicide).

    All-in-all, if the film isn't allegory, than there is no much reason to call it A Serbian Film.

    Sorry for spam, once again.

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  81. No need to apologize. As long as you've got something to say, it doesn't matter to my how many comments it takes to say it. Thank you for all of your input and interesting remarks- they certainly provide a different context to ASF.

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  82. I have more analysis of this movie , continuing from my Februray 19 post . But I can't seem to get it to go through for some reason . Probably something the program doesn't like , like line-spaces or something and I don't feel like typing it over again . If you want I can send it to your email and you can post it ( unaltered ) .

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  83. I will try this in small pieces .

    Part 1 :

    So I've been talking to some Serbs and they filled me in on a few things .

    One is that Vukmir's character has a very important double meaning in addition to his role in servicing USA/EU ( some Serbs say USA/EU/Russia which also makes sense ) .

    In the movie Marko describes Vukmir's biography about how he is child psychologist , he went to Japan and nobody knows what he did there ...

    This biography is identical to a well known director in Serbia except he didn't go to Japan , he went to America ( They changed that part so they would not get sued ) When he came back to Serbia , he started to make movies that some consider to be anti-serbian , war movies with victims . He is of course funded by the Serbian government .

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  84. Spasojevic's director's statement :
    "As much as we try to deal with our life in this film allegorically, and with the corrupt political authorities that govern it, we are also dealing with today's Art and Cinema and the corrupt artistic authorities that govern them in a similar manner here. The films that preach and enforce political correctness are the dominant form of cinematic expression today. Nowadays in Eastern Europe you cannot get a film financed unless you have a pathetic and heartwarming 'true story' to tell about some poor lost refugee girls with matchsticks, who ended up as victims of war, famine and/or intolerance. They mostly deal with VICTIMS as heroes, and they use and manipulate them in order to activate the viewer's empathy. They make a false, romanticized story about that victim and sell it as real life. That is real pornography and manipulation, and also spiritual violence -- the cinematic fascism of political correctness. We can freely tag these pictures as compassion-porn..."

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  85. Part 2 :
    There is a popular video in Serbia called "Digital Angel Mark of the Beast" ( Digitalni Andjeo Zig Zveri ) . This video talks about the New World Order and other conspiracy theories . This stuff is very popular over there . I used to know a Croatian , he reads all the David Icke etc.

    Vukmir to Milos : "You are the only one that is not a victim here."
    The writer of a serbian film Radivojevic says : "our hero is also a victim in a way because he is not at the top of the pyramid."
    Milos is not the victim because he is the Serbian government . But there is someone higher than him .

    Here is a video encapsulating some of the symbolism of the Illuminati and New World Order
    (pyramid , one eye , right hand and checkered floor ) and which you can see in the movie :
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9cnk5SqwBo
    NWO stands for New World Order

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  86. Part 2 continued ...
    Also , in the Director's statement (aserbianfilm.co.uk/statement.html) , he says
    "We didn’t want to make a hermetic picture that would deal exclusively with our local tragedies, but to tell a story with
    global overtones, because Serbia is merely a reflection of the ways of today’s New World in general, as it tries to imitate it
    and fails miserably. Contrary to the peerless politically correct facade of the New World, it’s still a soulless devouring machine
    for killing every small freedom – of art and free speech – we have left, destroying everything different in its path."

    New World is just a veiled reference to the New World Order . The caps are not mine but in the original .

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  87. Part 3 :
    The U.S. Dollar has the one eye , pyramid on it . Underneath is written "novus ordo seclorum" which
    some say means New World Order in latin : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akf-QqFI7_0

    Milosevic was a business man , chairman of the largest bank in the Balkans and had close
    business ties to Lawrence Eagleburger and Henry Kissinger .

    Alice in Wonderland is referring to 'Alice in Wonderland programming' which is a mind control method
    used by the Illuminati . The kids in the movie represent the people in Serbia living in fantasy land .
    Spasojevic : "It's about the monolithic power of leaders who hypnotize you to do things ..."

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  88. Part 4 :
    The room where the war widow is killed has the painting of the last supper before battle of kosovo on the wall .
    Vukmir and Milos here are referencing Vuk Brankovic and Milos Obilic who were the villian and hero
    of that battle respectively . Milos Obilic gave himself up to the Turks and martyred himself by cutting the head off
    the Turkish sultan which is what he promised at the last supper .

    On yet another level , Spasojevic is also making a social commentary .
    About the rise of crime and pedophiles , domestic violence ,
    hooliganism , bad music , old-fashioned movies , fake boobs ( it is an epidemic over there among the wealthy and pop stars . there
    is actually a street in Belgrade called silicon avenue ) .

    There are some profanities in the Serbian language that are being illustrated on the screen .
    A common profanity in the Serbian language is "I will f*** you in the eye."

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  89. I will see if there is anything else interesting that comes up but this could be the limit of my knowledge .

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  90. Just watched it and I wasn't shocked or disturbed at all - it is too shallow to be affecting - seemed very immature. To infer political metaphors etc is a pathetic attempt to have your cake and eat it on the part of posters here.It reminded me a bit of Pan's Labyrinth - a dishonest way of viewing violence/porn. There might have been a good film in there but it got lost.
    I have seen Boonmee, Enter the Void and Submarine this week and all contained more shocking ideas to me, there imagery still haunts me unlike this - it's just a joke.

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  91. The great tragedy is the incorrect title of the film. It should have been called a Bosnian film. Why a Serb director should use such a shallow and thin diguise of Serbian politics to push the boundaries of outrage so far is deeply ironic. These sadistic acts really did happen in BOSNIA, in police stations, in all manner of places that today are cattle sheds, farms, roadside cafes and so on.

    Serb paramilitaries raped and murdered their way through Bosnia ably abetted by their Ukrainian and Russian sympathisers.


    This film is a much more accurate metaphor for Bosnia- Bosnia the raped baby- born in tragedy and raped in tragedy. Serbs have very little to complain about. They did not experience war on their territory proper, they did not suffer human degradations of the worst depravity.

    What was i to say to my neighbour of childhood, when one morning i saw his fathers head on our gate post ? How do you console such pain...?

    This film is the sick child of a true story that 20 years later is still to horrible to face directly. People were drugged literally and metaphorically to see others dehumanised, and to rape them , torture them and murder them. You Westerners with your youtube racist insults against Islam know this, and know it well- this film for its stylisation is based on truth. Look hard in the mirror at yourselves.

    Even as you condemn this film, think of what more horrors have passed since. Bosnia suffered this pornographic sadism for real. Now this beast has passed through Iraq and Afghanistan through CIA ghost prisons where Al Qaeda suspects are raped and tortured, with doctors near by to prevent water boarding becoming torture.

    See what you have all become, because if you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem, and you cannot wash yourselves of the stain of those who represent your interests overseas.


    This film is real life metaphor made art, but it is far too real, and that is far too uncomfortable for anyone to face up to.

    Bosniak 1974

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  92. Thanks for your comment Bosniak 1974.

    When you write:"See what you have all become, because if you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem, and you cannot wash yourselves of the stain of those who represent your interests overseas" are you directing that at the Serb/Bosnian audience or is directed to Europe and or the U.S. audience?

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  93. Dear all,

    I have not seen this movie and I am never going to watch this. But I have read the plot and most of the comments above and feel that I have a different perspective to give you a glance of.
    I don't belong to that kind of audience, who can't stand violence, I have seen some pretty nasty things, maybe because I'm young and curious. And I would not say I'm naive. But I think this time the makers of the movie have crossed the line and that they have no excuse doing it.

    Violence breeds more violence. I believe that this is the true reason this movie was ever made. Because some people have seen things that nobody should ever see and they are so ruined themselves, so that they have to drag all the others with them and cannot help it. Do you really think that this kind of "eye-openers" make a difference in a good way? But if they do not in a good way then what is the purpose, other than what I just pointed out? They only show how disgusting our world can be. Yes, the authors of this movie can say that their's is the sickest ever made and that it has a strong message. Congratulations. There is already enough violence and gore in our world, but hey, thanks for making some more!

    I would like to hear reasons, why it is good that people who have not had experiences with violence, should experience (the worst form of)it and how do the film-makers of this movie differ from the people who breed violence in other means.

    I learned from this movie that the governments have f**ked its people up. And what am I going to do with this knowlegde? In "Hotel Rwanda" (about Rwandan Genocide) there was a quote, saying something that "People see this in the news, they say "omg" and continue eating their dinner."
    So what the f**k is the purpose of this film?

    Thank you very much,I have said what I wanted to say. I hope you do not think that I did not get this movie. I'm just not impressed.

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  94. Dear Anonymous,

    While you make a couple of good points, there is little to say if you haven't seen the film. Though many view ASF as a "litmus test" of horror, I went into it knowing little about the film and it was because of that it made such an impact.

    Since I wrote this post almost a year and half ago and people are still reading it avidly speaks to the film's power. I recommend seeing it- or saving your comments for a film which you've actually watched.

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  95. I saw some comments that disaproove name of film. That is prety rediciolus to me to see someone think he can authorise is it piece of art named coretly or not, like they own a country name. As a Serb, living in a Serbia I can also confirm that this is very good analogy with a human life in our country (but not in this part of the world), and that feeling author mentioned after seeing the film is pretty much same one that I have every morning when I stand up from bed. And that is the most powerfull thing in movie. It leaves you the real feeling, almost like a scar in your mind after seeing it, and all you need is to connect it with message movie is trying to represent. Because of that feeling the Serbian movie is diferent from others with same message. That message simply deserve to be felt on skin and this movie doing it very much succesfull.

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  96. I don't see what all the fuss is about. I just watched it. Yeah there's some sick shit in it but it isn't real, it's a movie. Comments like "I'd punch the director in the face" are ridiculous. And as far showing Serbia in a bad light, before i saw this movie i didn't even know Serbia had actors, now i know they have really good ones!

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  97. Serbian film is not banned in Serbia. It was shown in movie theaters and on film festivals (Cinema City Film Festival-Novi Sad)

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  98. What's with some of the comments about the name should be changed? I really don't see whats so bad about the title A serbian film,what else is there to call it? If the director really meant what he was saying in the interviews and stuff then shouldn't the name be left alone?

    I've watched the movie, and it's one of the best films i've seen. Ya it's kinda messed up in some parts, but it's really emotionally charged to.

    I didn't even know that the director was trying to make a message, when I was watching it. But I still loved it none the less because it's a really well made movie.

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  99. Hello, I'm a 16 year old Serbian kid, still living in Serbia. This is pretty much my point of view. The Director of this film had an important message he wanted to get across in his film, however, the message wasn't aimed at the Serbian audience as it was for the the western audience. You can probably see that through the production and the way the movie was filmed, it's not how a regular Serbian movie would be filmed. Anyways, the director knew the Serbian cinema isn't really popular in the rest of the world, so if he was to make a
    'normal' film, with out any explicit content, no matter how good the movie would turn out to be, it would've probably been ignored and nobody around the world would actually pay attention to it, or actually see it. He knew that he needed to make something so dark, depressing, sick and downright disturbing, that it would catch everyone's attention...and by the looks of it, he succeeded...Every disgusting scene in the movie was more than necessary, it perfectly describes the film for what it is and what it's supposed to be...Although, it wouldn't have hurt them if they actually made a short documentary that would play after the film, or maybe with the credits, that would actually describe the current situation in Serbia, and what it's trying to portray. It is kind off sad that this is the Serbian movie that's probably going to be remembered the most in
    other countries, and it really is a shame, because there are some beautiful Serbian movies out there that describe what the 'Serbian film' was trying to say, but in a much nicer more informative way, but they didn't gain as much popularity, because, well they don't have horrible and bloody rape scenes in them. If you're really interested in the downfall of Serbia, try watching a very interesting and informative documentary called 'The Weight of Chains.'

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